ok, heres a question about the body and vitamins...

[darthvibrator]

plants are easy, predictable things that can be under stood through some science. they need a set of macro and micro nutrients. anyone that is deficient shows in the plant in a certain characterisitic. and some plants can be some picky mother fuckers. add PH into it, and only certain nutrients will get absorbed in certain ph ranges, now add in over ferting and you start to lock out one nutrient because you have too much of another.

sooo my question is, what about people? i see these multivitamins that having like 500% of vitamin A, 1000% vitamin c, etc etc etc.

1) are these calculated amounts that the human body can absorb? or is there a ton of excess?

2) if they are not calculated, do we "lock" out nutrients like plants do due to there being an over abundance of another nutritent?

3) is the body this picky? seems you can get by barley eating and still LOOK healthy.

4) can you eat like shit, supplement with an all around vitamin that provides all the essentials and still be ok?

anyone?

[97gp]

You're the personal trainer/fitness dude, you tell us.

[darthvibrator]

You're the personal trainer/fitness dude, you tell us.

nagga...you got the wrong guy. thats thomas.

if i tried to be a fitness dude, they'd laugh. same thing when i tried to become a porn star.

[IDSkot]

nagga...you got the wrong guy. thats thomas.

if i tried to be a fitness dude, they'd laugh. same thing when i tried to become a porn star.

Dick was too small?

[97gp]

nagga...you got the wrong guy. thats thomas.

if i tried to be a fitness dude, they'd laugh. same thing when i tried to become a porn star.

Im not sure why I thought you were thomas, people should have just kept the same names. I know who you are now but you guys do have being potheads in common so maybe that why I got you mixed up.

[darthvibrator]

Dick was too small?

no doi.

97: ahh come on playa. thats fud up. lets leave the smot poking out of this. i dont want to have to go to google for this. i want answers from our "pros" that may or may not be correct, but will be spread like wild fire.

[97gp]

Im not sure who the pros are but good luck with your research.

Edit: It actually is an interesting topic, did you think of this while you were high?

[darthvibrator]

Im not sure who the pros are but good luck with your research.

Edit: It actually is an interesting topic, did you think of this while you were high?

yes :crap:

[97gp]

lol, so you get all philosophical and shit while high

[ThomasG]

plants are easy, predictable things that can be under stood through some science. they need a set of macro and micro nutrients. anyone that is deficient shows in the plant in a certain characterisitic. and some plants can be some picky mother fuckers. add PH into it, and only certain nutrients will get absorbed in certain ph ranges, now add in over ferting and you start to lock out one nutrient because you have too much of another.

sooo my question is, what about people? i see these multivitamins that having like 500% of vitamin A, 1000% vitamin c, etc etc etc.




1) are these calculated amounts that the human body can absorb? or is there a ton of excess?

Little confused on what you're asking but I think what you're talking about is the %Daily value. There is no benefit in over supplementing in vitamins :fyi:. Comical how many people take megadoses of vitamins.

2) if they are not calculated, do we "lock" out nutrients like plants do due to there being an over abundance of another nutritent?

Are you asking what our body does with excess nutrients? Nutrient is a very broad term. The body has many different processes with many different nutrients. Which nutrients are you asking?

3) is the body this picky? seems you can get by barley eating and still LOOK healthy.

I disagree all those skinny myspace kids posting pics of their abs don't look healthy to me.

4) can you eat like shit, supplement with an all around vitamin that provides all the essentials and still be ok?

What do you mean by ok? Yea you will be able to metabolize energy and sustain life but it is best to get your vitamins from whole foods. It is recommended to take a multi vitamin as "insurance" though.
anyone?

[darthvibrator]

lol, so you get all philosophical and shit while high

not all the time. but this recent shit that i have, i need to find out what it is.

EASILY the most self reflecting weed ive ever had. i only have a bit left, but i need to bring a fucking note pad with me next time. smoked it about 3 times and its the same introverted high every time.

[darthvibrator]

1) are these calculated amounts that the human body can absorb? or is there a ton of excess?

Little confused on what you're asking but I think what you're talking about is the %Daily value. There is no benefit in over supplementing in vitamins :fyi:. Comical how many people take megadoses of vitamins.

sort of. different plants benefit from different ratios of nutrients. youll often see something along the lines of 2-3-1 for a fertalizer which is talking about the ratio of the 3 macro nutrients that a plant needs. so well make it simple. lets say you take a multi vitamin that is 200%A, 500%B, and 1000%c. is this ratio from vitamins a to b to c a calculated one? one that is proven by science that says you're body absorbs each vitamin the best when they are at this ratio? fuck i think im just confusing this even more.

2) if they are not calculated, do we "lock" out nutrients like plants do due to there being an over abundance of another nutritent?

Are you asking what our body does with excess nutrients? Nutrient is a very broad term. The body has many different processes with many different nutrients. Which nutrients are you asking?

when you have an excess of say, nitrogen in a soil around a plants roots, it might "lock" up (ie, not being able to be used up) magnesium ( or whatever). this will make the plant looks like its having a magnesium uptake problem, but here is no shortage of magnesium in the soil. there is an excess of nitrogen in the soil that is making it impossible for the plant to pick up its needed magnesium. im asking if the same applies to the body. like if there is too much A in a multi vitamin, does it make it harder for the body to absorb, say...vitamin B

3) is the body this picky? seems you can get by barley eating and still LOOK healthy.

I disagree all those skinny myspace kids posting pics of their abs don't look healthy to me.

again ill talk about plants. you got a plant that is nitrogen deficient. the leaves turn yellow and fall off. or magnesium deficiency or calcium and the plant is getting this copper colored spots etc. does this same thing happen to the human body? obviously with something like scurvey, it does, but to what extent? is it hard to tell when a person is deficient with certain vitamins or nutrients or what have you?

4) can you eat like shit, supplement with an all around vitamin that provides all the essentials and still be ok?

What do you mean by ok? Yea you will be able to metabolize energy and sustain life but it is best to get your vitamins from whole foods. It is recommended to take a multi vitamin as "insurance" though.
anyone?

by ok, i mean be running at 100%. like if your body requires X amount of each vitamin, is it ok for those vitamins to come from something that is man made? kind of like chemical fertalizers versus organic. the chemical is man made but has the ability to damage a plant more so than an organic based one. lets say you eat 1 slice of pizza for breakfast lunch and dinner and a soda as well. can you then just supplement with a man made multi vitamin and be ok? like does the body recognize it as being a "foreign" version of a nutrient?



^^^^

[pl8er]

Many of the vitamins that we take are passed out of our system. Vitamin C is a good example. Almost all products carry it.

Now, to the defense of companies, how would they possibly make it to work for everyone? They use averages (which in the united states is overweight). If I take a GNC multi and weigh 245lbs and I am a pro builder, would it be the same for a 130 lb guy taking it? Of course not.

[darthvibrator]

Many of the vitamins that we take are passed out of our system. Vitamin C is a good example. Almost all products carry it.

Now, to the defense of companies, how would they possibly make it to work for everyone? They use averages (which in the united states is overweight). If I take a GNC multi and weigh 245lbs and I am a pro builder, would it be the same for a 130 lb guy taking it? Of course not.

1) does having an excess of one nutrient cause a lock out of any other?

2) you can "push" plants to do what you want by providing more of X and X during certain periods. does this work with people or does the body just take what it needs and spits (pun intended) the rest of it out?

[Toasted1]

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[darthvibrator]

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you should come over.

[Toasted1]

you should come over.

I know I do I need to pack up and move to cali get on the medical plan and just chill.

Only thing holding me back is I don't make 100k+ a year and can't afford a 450k condo :(

[Toasted1]

Anyways sorry for derailing please continue with your previous thread.

[ThomasG]

^^^^

I don't know I have no study in the biology of plants or photosynthesis etc.. However yes the nutrient profile does depend on the soil the plant was grown in. And then we can get into the organic foods.

As far as a nutrient locking out another nutrient I'm not sure. But nutrients do work synergisticaly with each other. So if you lack in one chances are it is hurting an others job. E.g water helps transport fat and glucose to working muscles.

And you need to be specific on which nutrient. Some are stored as body fat some are excreted through the urine and other ways. Some body parts take damage.

[darthvibrator]

I know I do I need to pack up and move to cali get on the medical plan and just chill.

Only thing holding me back is I don't make 100k+ a year and can't afford a 450k condo :(

shit dawg, condos going for $170k.....

my buddy just bought a house for under 210k

[ThomasG]

I know a dude in San Diego who rents trailers out in his backyard for 200$ a month. They call it little Tijuana. Want his number toasted?:laugh: P.S I'm serious I used to live with that guy.

[darthvibrator]

I don't know I have no study in the biology of plants or photosynthesis etc.. However yes the nutrient profile does depend on the soil the plant was grown in. And then we can get into the organic foods.

As far as a nutrient locking out another nutrient I'm not sure. But nutrients do work synergisticaly with each other. So if you lack in one chances are it is hurting an others job. E.g water helps transport fat and glucose to working muscles.

And you need to be specific on which nutrient. Some are stored as body fat some are excreted through the urine and other ways. Some body parts take damage.

well i dont know what all nutrients the body needs. i was just generalizing.

let me ask you this then, if i take a multi, will the body use what it needs and then get rid of the rest, or can i "hurt" my healthy by taking a multi that has too much vitamins in it (like the ones that give you like 1000% daily value of lots of the shit listed on the back)?

[pl8er]

you can hurt yourself...but with vitamins it would take a great deal more.

[darthvibrator]

you can hurt yourself...but with vitamins it would take a great deal more.

does the body know the difference between vitamins you get from food, versus a pill? like does it absorb it the same way?

[pl8er]

kidneys especially take a beating if your running certain vitamins too hard. It's the same with proteins though. Your body takes what it can take and passes the rest. There are drugs to force your body to hold onto proteins.

[pl8er]

does the body know the difference between vitamins you get from food, versus a pill? like does it absorb it the same way?

I imagine that pills can be mixed with certain chemicals to help with absorption. That being said, if no extra chemicals, once the body breaks down things in the digestive track, they are what they are.

[bluecar]

I take a Men's Health multi-vitamin. I have no idea if it helps anything.

[darthvibrator]

I imagine that pills can be mixed with certain chemicals to help with absorption. That being said, if no extra chemicals, once the body breaks down things in the digestive track, they are what they are.

cool.

[ThomasG]

you can hurt yourself...but with vitamins it would take a great deal more.

Yup. Megadoses can happen though which are a big no no.

[ThomasG]

does the body know the difference between vitamins you get from food, versus a pill? like does it absorb it the same way?

Yes whole foods are better, you're body can absorb them better. I just finished a nutrition program with the national exercise sports association and it went over this let me look in my CD text real quick.

[pl8er]

I take a Men's Health multi-vitamin. I have no idea if it helps anything.

I always take a vegetarian vitamin in place of many of the unnatural created drugs

http://www.puritan.com/mineral-products-036/green-source-iron-free-006190

[ThomasG]

I take a Men's Health multi-vitamin. I have no idea if it helps anything.

It's a good idea to take that. Not as a reliance but as insurance.

[pl8er]

Also, if you use supplements and don't use puritan, you are smoking the crack.

[ThomasG]

well i dont know what all nutrients the body needs. i was just generalizing.

let me ask you this then, if i take a multi, will the body use what it needs and then get rid of the rest, or can i "hurt" my healthy by taking a multi that has too much vitamins in it (like the ones that give you like 1000% daily value of lots of the shit listed on the back)?

Thats a good question I'm a little skeptical on this myself. It varys from person to person on how much they need or can handle without causing harm. There are scales of measure for both of these for the general population RDA/%daily value and tolerable upper intake level (UL). Which means how much of a nutrient can the body take without causing harm.

Here is a UL list for a 25 year old male

EAR RDA/AI UL Unit
Vitamin A 2083 900 3000 µg
Vitamin C 75 90 2000 mg
Vitamin D NE 200 2000 IU
Vitamin K NE 120 ND µg
Vitamin B6 1.1 1.3 100 mg
α-tocopherol (E) 12 15 1000 IU
Biotin NE 30 ND µg
Boron NE - 20 mg
Calcium NE 1000 2500 mg
Chloride NE 2300 3600 mg
Chromium NE 35 ND µg
Choline NE 550 3500 mg
Copper 700 900 10000 µg
Cyanocobalamin (B12) 2.0 2.4 ND µg
Fluoride NE 4 10 mg
Folate (B9) 320 400 1000 µg
Iodine 95 150 1100 µg
Iron 6 8 45 mg
Magnesium 330 420 350a mg
Manganese NE 2.3 11 mg
Molybdenum 34 45 2000 µg
Niacin (B3) 12 16 35 mg
Nickel NE - 1.0 mg
Pantothenic acid (B5) NE 5 ND mg
Phosphorus 580 700 4000 mg
Potassium NE 4700 ND mg
Riboflavin (B2) 1.1 1.3 ND mg
Selenium 45 55 400 µg
Sodium NE 1500 2300 mg
Sulfate NE - ND -
Thiamin (B1) 1.0 1.2 ND mg
Zinc 9.4 11 40 mg

I'm sure there are other UL charts out there online.

[darthvibrator]

interesting

[junior]

Don't know where to start on this. Yes you can overdose on vitamins and minerals, but it takes a lot in order to do so. The main ones to watch out for overdosing are the fat soluble vitamins which get stored in your fat cells and liver, and aren't flushed out by the body. Fat soluble vits are Vitamin A,D,E, and K. The rest just pissed out from the body. That's why you can piss neon colors when on a multi vit.

Most compressed tab one a day multi vits(centrium and the likes) are shit. They are water soluble and your body doesn't get a chance to digest and absorb most of them before they get pissed out. It's better to find a multi vit that is spend out over several pills. Your body has a better time breaking them down and absorbing them more efficiently.

To answer the OP's original question, no your body won't "lock out" certain nutrients from being absorb. Plants absorb nutrients externally and humans absorb nutrients internally through their intestines(the small intestine absorbs most of the nutrients, where the large intestine absorbs water). Your intestines absorb vits and mins as needed by the body at that time.

[Toasted1]

Most compressed tab one a day multi vits(centrium and the likes) are shit.

What about the ones pl8er listed below? I would not mind taking one but know most are junk.

I always take a vegetarian vitamin in place of many of the unnatural created drugs

http://www.puritan.com/mineral-products-036/green-source-iron-free-006190

You vegetarian? I only ask because my wife is and won't eat regular vitamins because a lot are made with gelatin which are made with cows or some shit :laugh:

[junior]

What about the ones pl8er listed below? I would not mind taking one but know most are junk.

Those ones should be OK. I'm not familiar with them, but considering that the serving size is three tablets, they can be digested a little easier. You have to think, how well is a supplement going to be if they think they can cram all the product into one small tablet? Pretty fricking difficult.

[Mr. Shickadance]

Most compressed tab one a day multi vits(centrium and the likes) are shit. They are water soluble and your body doesn't get a chance to digest and absorb most of them before they get pissed out. It's better to find a multi vit that is spend out over several pills. Your body has a better time breaking them down and absorbing them more efficiently.


Those ones should be OK. I'm not familiar with them, but considering that the serving size is three tablets, they can be digested a little easier. You have to think, how well is a supplement going to be if they think they can cram all the product into one small tablet? Pretty fricking difficult.

lol I'm actually taking cheap Centrum right now, took Animal Pak for awhile, but taking 11 pills at once just wasn't for me...

Any experience with Opti-Men or Orange Triad?