New Pillar install: TangBand Ceramic [Archive]

CockMuncher

07-22-2009, 07:05 PM

I bought some Tangband Ceramics from parts express. Me, steven(italynstylion), and Mark(Azngotskillz) Made some pillar pods. Im not in any photos.

I cut the plastic lens off them to get a narrower dispersion out of them, I had spoken to Wiggins about it he said its fine to cut it.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q151/Megalomaniac1989/July_11th_2009_Apillar_Build_Tangbands/IMG_7047.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q151/Megalomaniac1989/July_11th_2009_Apillar_Build_Tangbands/IMG_7054.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q151/Megalomaniac1989/July_11th_2009_Apillar_Build_Tangbands/IMG_7050.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q151/Megalomaniac1989/July_11th_2009_Apillar_Build_Tangbands/IMG_7058.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q151/Megalomaniac1989/July_11th_2009_Apillar_Build_Tangbands/IMG_7095.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q151/Megalomaniac1989/July_11th_2009_Apillar_Build_Tangbands/IMG_7098.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q151/Megalomaniac1989/July_11th_2009_Apillar_Build_Tangbands/IMG_7101.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q151/Megalomaniac1989/July_11th_2009_Apillar_Build_Tangbands/IMG00337.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q151/Megalomaniac1989/July_11th_2009_Apillar_Build_Tangbands/IMG00342.jpg

They are covered temp for now until I can order the matching vinyl for them.

Spider Monkey

07-22-2009, 07:09 PM

Wow, you're like, kinda good.

_AnGeL_

07-22-2009, 07:10 PM

srsly

CockMuncher

07-22-2009, 07:16 PM

lol is kinda good, good enough? :D

CockMuncher

07-22-2009, 07:17 PM

To answer Angels question in that other thread, I dont think im giving more than 15watts at 2.5khz

_AnGeL_

07-22-2009, 07:18 PM

hmmm, how many watts you giving your mids?

i'm going to have about 300 rms to a pair of 8" and about 200+ rms to a pair of 6" will a pair keep up fine?

CockMuncher

07-22-2009, 07:20 PM

To my mids I am giving roughly 50-65watts. I dont listen very loud but it gets loud enough. The tweeters can handle more power no doubt! I wouldnt give more than 30watts though.

My mids are Hertz High Energy 6.5"

_AnGeL_

07-22-2009, 07:21 PM

hmmm, i might have to try them out.

pl8er

07-23-2009, 12:48 AM

Damn dude. I'm impressed.

I need to either grow the balls or the talent to try this kinda thing. You have huge nuts and your install skill is far superior to mine.

+1

ramos

07-23-2009, 08:06 AM

Looks pretty good :)

CockMuncher

07-23-2009, 11:18 AM

Instead covering in fleece to glass, I ended up ca glueing the baggle down the way I wanted, then mixed some rage, chopped mat, and resin together in 1 batch, then applied it all around for structural purpose. Then I topped it off with resin mixed with body filler. I didnt feel like sanding much though, it was too hot outside, so I said I am going to just cover it with vinyl. I had some black grill cloth in storage so I covered them for now in that, doesnt look bad, but doesnt look great either.

ps I cant wait to show this thread to Req whenever he comes back from sea :)

CockMuncher

07-23-2009, 11:22 AM

Heres whats in the boot:

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q151/Megalomaniac1989/March_15th_Recarpet_False_Floor/IMG_6238.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q151/Megalomaniac1989/March_21st_2009/IMG_6248.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q151/Megalomaniac1989/March_21st_2009/IMG_6253.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q151/Megalomaniac1989/March_21st_2009/IMG_6269.jpg

Yes the panel above the sub has a grill
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q151/Megalomaniac1989/Ported%20False%20Floor/Sealed%20Floor/IMG_1242.jpg

pl8er

07-23-2009, 11:56 AM

HA HA HA..Well fuck if it isn't megalomaniac :P I was kinda thinking to myself that this was your style of work.

Man I would love to be able to do this sorta work. You are not in or around Ohio are you?

ramos

07-23-2009, 12:35 PM

Yeah, I was thinking "damn that trunk layout looks familiar" :)

CockMuncher

07-23-2009, 01:55 PM

Thats why I put who I am in my sig ;) I signed thinking to be a troll, but I ended up not trolling.

And no I am not from or around Ohio. Born and Rasied Third Coast wonder....TX(DFW area)!

Weather has finally settled a bit!

CockMuncher

07-23-2009, 01:56 PM

btw I tried the Vag v4 from SI, and I hated it! Im still rocking the the v3 Mag.

pl8er

07-23-2009, 04:24 PM

Glad you are hanging around here :)

So what do you think of the tweets and what did they set you back?

CockMuncher

07-23-2009, 07:16 PM

$20 a piece from Parts Express.

I really am enjoying them, although I really need independent EQ, my stage is kinda smeary but not excessively smeared. But there is a certain dryness to this sound I real am diggin. Its not dry as metal domes but its not wet as soft domes. When listening to triangles or bells they sound very solid and real!

IamDeMan

07-24-2009, 08:34 AM

btw I tried the Vag v4 from SI, and I hated it! Im still rocking the the v3 Mag.

Now I know. I did love my v3 when i had it.

Bose301 told me the v4 was the shit though.

ramos

07-24-2009, 08:37 AM

Bose301 told me the v4 was the shit though.

No, now that it's being discontinued he is tickling the AE nut sack. So they are now the end all be all. :(

IamDeMan

07-24-2009, 08:39 AM

No, now that it's being discontinued he is tickling the AE nut sack. So they are now the end all be all. :(
lel. I feel so inadequate using old he2 and hx2 drivers. I should get in on this AE shit to end all.

ramos

07-24-2009, 08:50 AM

IamDeMan

07-24-2009, 08:57 AM

I should really feel like poo then, I'm using bottom of the barrel 10 year old Arc kars :( I still have 4 hx2's that are in other peoples cars banging away. Hx2's ( regular not the power) are the Second best sounding subs fosgate has produced IMO :)

I like the HX2. I have two 12" in IB in the wifes car (which many bassheads said would be a mistake) and they blend in really well. My favorite is the first run of the audiophile series though in the fosgate lineup.

ramos

07-24-2009, 09:03 AM

. My favorite is the first run of the audiophile series though in the fosgate lineup.
With the slightly convex puffed out dust cap? THose would be first on my list of their best sounding. I loved them :)

IamDeMan

07-24-2009, 09:16 AM

http://www.audioethos.co.uk/images/upload/rf%20audiophile%20004.JPG

ramos

07-24-2009, 09:47 AM

ahhh that's right the first edition had the flat man hole cover dust caps. :)

CockMuncher

07-24-2009, 12:02 PM

No, now that it's being discontinued he is tickling the AE nut sack. So they are now the end all be all. :(

I have been wanting try the AE's for a while. The Q of.7 begs for them to be IB! But sadly I dont want to give up the vertical trunk space to fit them IB. I carry too much camera equipment to do so.

CockMuncher

07-24-2009, 12:05 PM

Now I know. I did love my v3 when i had it.

Bose301 told me the v4 was the shit though.

v4 had no lows(sub 30s) despite what Nick claims about it playing flat down to 16hz. It plays flat down to 16hz on the meter, but very low spl in them, you would need 2 or 3 to compensate for the lack output. No point, his design philospy was to make a small, shallow, small box req. But if it takes 2 or 3 to get the output needed it makes no sense to use it all. I am glad they are discontinued.

IamDeMan

07-24-2009, 12:56 PM

I have been wanting try the AE's for a while. The Q of.7 begs for them to be IB! But sadly I dont want to give up the vertical trunk space to fit them IB. I carry too much camera equipment to do so.

I think .7 is too high. That is the target you are trying to achieve not start from. More than likely some EQing is going to be needed which will raise it. Unless the .7 needs zero boost anywhere, but that is unlikely.

And for car, the environment itself will increase this.

I would think .6 would be a better option.

The 15" RF HEs I am using in my home IB are .58 and are plenty obnoxious down low.

Of course it is all subjective anyway. .7 with the FS and XMAX that driver has would definitely shake some shit in a movie.

CockMuncher

07-24-2009, 01:27 PM

Yea they were designed for Home use and not for mobile use. But it just happens to work in both...

IamDeMan

07-24-2009, 01:37 PM

Yea they were designed for Home use and not for mobile use. But it just happens to work in both...

I understand they were designed for home. I think in a car the bottom end would be way too abnoxious though.

CockMuncher

07-24-2009, 03:37 PM

I understand they were designed for home. I think in a car the bottom end would be way too abnoxious though.

Thats the fun part :D 132 at 20hz is win!

pl8er

07-25-2009, 10:12 AM

Okay, I want to buy buy buy buy LOL

Seriously though. I have a symmetry already and as mentioned I'm thinking about the 3sixty series (or if someone points me to someone else that is an OEM interface). So I could go active (never have but I have the right stuff or so I think).

Both my car and the truck are 6.5 so I can either go with a good comp set (I'm going to use the Vifa parts express for rear fill).

So what do you think? Good speakers? Or good comps? Try to stay under 200 per set if you could.

pl8er

07-25-2009, 10:15 AM

If you don't think active will work well with my RF stuff, passive is totally fine.

CockMuncher

07-25-2009, 11:27 AM

Grab a pair of these
http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=8181

and the same Tang Bands I got

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=264-865

You will have a kickass setup! I got to hear a set of those mids with the ADI prototype version of that tweeter(sound very similar), they mesh together perfect!

Only issue may be is the Seas are 8ohms...

bluecar

07-25-2009, 12:18 PM

CockMuncher

07-25-2009, 01:13 PM

2.5khz. Although the ADI version that wiggins let me test out can be crossed down to 1.5khz no prob, actually it sounded better at 1.5 than 2.5 on that ADI version(uses xbl^2)

CockMuncher

07-25-2009, 01:13 PM

http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/member-product-reviews/62692-dfw-high-noon-v2-0-results-w-pics.html

pl8er

07-25-2009, 01:14 PM

Thanks for the links. I'm interested in the tweets but I'm slightly concerned with the 8rms rating. That will be hard to keep right with the HU I have and the amplifier.

CockMuncher

07-25-2009, 03:15 PM

8 watt rms is if you play it fullrange

Sex Cells

07-25-2009, 10:41 PM

CockMuncher

07-26-2009, 03:38 AM

3sixty is fine and cheaper.

pl8er

07-26-2009, 07:17 AM

Go audison bitone or go home.

I've heard great things about this, but the price to performance is totally not in-line.

pl8er

07-26-2009, 02:49 PM

actually reading more about the bitone, tons of horrible reviews out now. Morse code beeps feedback all sorts of stuff.

If I wasn't to go active, whats a few good comp sets for say ~200?

pl8er

07-26-2009, 03:00 PM

Can get DD C6.5 for about 150. Good deal?

CockMuncher

07-26-2009, 06:00 PM

The bit.1 has been fixed, they made a revision. completely new design on the inside.

and fuck DD

Sex Cells

07-26-2009, 08:30 PM

actually reading more about the bitone, tons of horrible reviews out now. Morse code beeps feedback all sorts of stuff.

If I wasn't to go active, whats a few good comp sets for say ~200?

I know its 85 more than you're wanting to spend, but the alpine spx-17pro is a fantastic comp set. . Personally, in that pricerange thats what i'd go for. They're great drivers (scanspeak) too, so when you want to go active you already have a good platform to start with.

bluecar

07-26-2009, 09:04 PM

actually reading more about the bitone, tons of horrible reviews out now. Morse code beeps feedback all sorts of stuff.

If I wasn't to go active, whats a few good comp sets for say ~200?

PRS720

pl8er

07-26-2009, 09:21 PM

Best/Cheapest online website for comps? Woofersetc, online car stereo etc

bluecar

07-26-2009, 09:27 PM

I have had good luck with OCS.

pl8er

07-26-2009, 09:42 PM

http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=19647

??

bluecar

07-26-2009, 09:51 PM

Get the Alpines or the Pioneers.

IamDeMan

07-26-2009, 10:00 PM

Go audison bitone or go home.

I would go home. Audison is outta my league.

pl8er

07-26-2009, 10:01 PM

Get the Alpines or the Pioneers.

Ok, besides the ones mentioned, any others to look at?

pl8er

07-26-2009, 10:01 PM

And thanks fellas :)

Sex Cells

07-26-2009, 11:05 PM

Best/Cheapest online website for comps? Woofersetc, online car stereo etc

ive always got them off the ebay stores. ive bought thousands of dollars worth of new audio equipment off there without ever having a problem.

anyway the dls ur series might be in your range, not sure what rainbow slc's are going for (6speedcoupe would be the one to talk to about that, hes on ca.com and diyma):mad:

CockMuncher

07-26-2009, 11:24 PM

Did my thread just get hijaxed! Sex Cellz isnt doing his job!
"Suck brick kid"

pl8er

07-27-2009, 12:05 AM

ive always got them off the ebay stores. ive bought thousands of dollars worth of new audio equipment off there without ever having a problem.

anyway the dls ur series might be in your range, not sure what rainbow slc's are going for (6speedcoupe would be the one to talk to about that, hes on ca.com and diyma):mad:

Yeah, no problem buying from eBay personally. I'm torn now on what to get and it is for my wife's truck. So...hrm.....not sure :P

Sex Cells

07-27-2009, 12:13 AM

oh, in that case get some RSD's.

ramos

07-27-2009, 08:08 AM

What is your x-over point?

I have been searching on DIYMA for a while and am hard pressed to find anything I can cross over lower than 3 or 4k. I'd rather have something small format. Still curious how manufacturer's can have a passive set for speakers and the passive xover at 2.5k and then the DIYMA folks reccomend the same tweeter be xover'd at 5k.

Crossover points vary greatly by where the actual drivers are placed and how far apart they are located ( mr from tw mainly ) In my own personal testing in my own setup ( tweets 8" above the dash in the pillars midrange low in the doors in the factory location) the tweets are roughly 2.5' from the mids. If I cross the tweets lower than 4.6k-5k I get two and sometimes three different center images from vocals. 2.5k is almost dead middle of the vocal range. Split it between two drivers that far part and the focus of the stage goes south very quickly :(

pl8er

07-27-2009, 08:13 AM

oh, in that case get some RSD's.

Thought about it. Had them in my last car and liked them (for the price of course).

CockMuncher

07-27-2009, 10:33 AM

Crossover points vary greatly by where the actual drivers are placed and how far apart they are located ( mr from tw mainly ) In my own personal testing in my own setup ( tweets 8" above the dash in the pillars midrange low in the doors in the factory location) the tweets are roughly 2.5' from the mids. If I cross the tweets lower than 4.6k-5k I get two and sometimes three different center images from vocals. 2.5k is almost dead middle of the vocal range. Split it between two drivers that far part and the focus of the stage goes south very quickly :(

Agreed, I had my old tweeters X'ed at 4khz, sounded more pronounced. But lost some snap though since my mid was playing such a wide range. 50hz-4khz.

btw ramos I know you are a Hatwhore, I got to play with the Legtia-L4 the other day, that mid needs no tweeter! I was shocked how wide that thing can play, makes me want to make a pod in the corners of my dash and just use those down to 250hz, and have a beefy midbass/sub setup.

ramos

07-27-2009, 10:50 AM

Agreed, I had my old tweeters X'ed at 4khz, sounded more pronounced. But lost some snap though since my mid was playing such a wide range. 50hz-4khz.

btw ramos I know you are a Hatwhore, I got to play with the Legtia-L4 the other day, that mid needs no tweeter! I was shocked how wide that thing can play, makes me want to make a pod in the corners of my dash and just use those down to 250hz, and have a beefy midbass/sub setup.

A Hatwhore ? Thanks :rofl: There are a couple actually running 2 way setups using the L8's and the L4's with no tweets. We played with some early proto's of the L3 pros in Dave Edwards Camry a while back. Wait for those little bastages to hit the shelf. :sneaky:

CockMuncher

08-02-2009, 01:32 PM

So I went to a DIYMA meet in OK yesterday. IMO, going to sound cocky, my car sounded the best out of the ones I got to hear :)

pl8er

08-02-2009, 01:37 PM

So I went to a DIYMA meet in OK yesterday. IMO, going to sound cocky, my car sounded the best out of the ones I got to hear :)

Audio is subjective. I sure as hell would hope it sounded best to you or all those pretty pictures are just pretty pictures.

Ya hur?

CockMuncher

08-02-2009, 01:49 PM

Audio is subjective. I sure as hell would hope it sounded best to you or all those pretty pictures are just pretty pictures.

Ya hur?

subjective or not, they sounded shitty. only 1 other person had a decent setup to listen to. everyone elses was either incomplete or just making up excuses :p

bluecar

08-02-2009, 01:58 PM

Would an L3 pro be a better option vs. the L4?

I might be able to fit those in the a pillar.

CockMuncher

08-02-2009, 02:00 PM

I know nothing about this L3 Pro. However as far using HAT drivers, you better have a shiton of space for them. Them boogers love air, they are designed for an IB allignment. you could just make a dipole for them I guess....it would need to be a pretty big hole behind it though.

bluecar

08-02-2009, 02:01 PM

That just makes shit more complicated than I want to do.

Haven't seen anything that makes me really want to shift from the IDs mounted coaxially.

bluecar

08-02-2009, 02:02 PM

pl8er

08-02-2009, 10:59 PM

subjective or not, they sounded shitty. only 1 other person had a decent setup to listen to. everyone elses was either incomplete or just making up excuses :p

You have been taking installs to a different place for years. I find it unlikely you will find much of interest unless your at a pro meet-up.

ramos

08-03-2009, 07:52 AM

Would an L3 pro be a better option vs. the L4?

I might be able to fit those in the a pillar.

Would be a pretty close race really IMO. But as was said gotta be able to vent them somewhere. More space they see, the broader the freq range. :)

ramos

08-03-2009, 07:56 AM

But if the two drivers were mounted coaxially, it wouldn't matter very much?

yes and no. The location difference is a moot point, but the off axis response of each driver comes more into play with both drivers at the same location. It's one of those things that you just have to expirament with and see :)

bluecar

08-03-2009, 08:46 PM

You need to find an easy answer for me. :)

CockMuncher

08-04-2009, 12:14 PM

ive been through more tweeters than mids and subs compared to the peoples on caraudio.com. Youd be surprised how much the sound can change from changing a tweeter alone. to me sub changeage isnt much of a difference, although i can point out a bad sub(could be tuning) from a good one by listening, but im not as critical with it.

As far as midranges go, just buy, try, sell, buy, try, sell! until you find a set you like. or if you have any sq shows locally listen to peoples cars.

CockMuncher

08-04-2009, 12:16 PM

btw if the Legatia costs too much for you try the TG9

http://madisound.com/catalog/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=tg9&Submit=Search+store&categories_id=&search_in_description=1&inc_subcat=1

ramos

08-04-2009, 01:28 PM

You need to find an easy answer for me. :)

What exactly are you trying to do ? :)

bluecar

08-05-2009, 07:39 AM

What exactly are you trying to do ? :)

Keep it very simple.

I haven't had a setup in 2 years after my truck was broken into. I am thinking of starting out small and simple as I was disgusted with all the time, effort, and money I put into my last setup. (I was very proud of how it sounded) I'd like everything to be super stealth and I don't want to cut into the door. I'll cut the a-pillar as I should be able to find a replacement easy...however, there are some angle issues there I may better be able to show with pix (truck is 09 ranger).

So, I am thinking of going with the IDs becasue I can mount them coaxially. It sounds better than stock, but keeps the stealth look. As for subs, maybe the IDQ12 or 15. Something I can put in the cab, but not need much power or space.

ramos

08-05-2009, 02:18 PM

Hmmm , I haven't played with any of the newer ID stuff. DO the newere components allow the tweeter to swivel any once it's coax mounted? That's the biggest concern I would have with the components mounted in the doors. If you were able to angle the tweets up slightly it might help you out. Don't know if your interested in a coherant sound stage or just sound period. Tweets in the doors behind factory grills, tend to diffuse the stage and make it lack focus . :)

bluecar

08-05-2009, 07:52 PM

pl8er

08-05-2009, 10:00 PM

If I could better understand slope, I'd try active.

bluecar

08-05-2009, 10:13 PM

If I could better understand slope, I'd try active.

Let's start with what you think.

pl8er

08-05-2009, 10:30 PM

Let's start with what you think.

I've honestly read on it. It is one of those topics that just doesn't sink in. Something with every drop in something is something lol.

So basically when you are doing CMI you just click NO but for everything else, it is yes.

bluecar

08-05-2009, 10:32 PM

I've honestly read on it. It is one of those topics that just doesn't sink in. Something with every drop in something is something lol.

So basically when you are doing CMI you just click NO but for everything else, it is yes.

??????

What is CMI?

CockMuncher

08-05-2009, 10:55 PM

I want to hear Ramos car. Are you still competing? You do IASCA dont you? So you wont be at USACi finals?

pl8er

08-05-2009, 11:05 PM

??????

What is CMI?

Conmag I is the smallest target my company makes. Whenever I have no idea what the hell is going on I bring that up from training. After that statement I said "I really just can't figure out why I don't understand this" and my trainer said "I really can't understand it either"

We both laughed.

ramos

08-06-2009, 07:26 AM

Just sound period at this point. Think baby steps. :)

Then I would start out with them the way you described, coax mounted. Least amount of work involved that way. If you don't like it, you can always try movign the tweeters around :)

ramos

08-06-2009, 07:30 AM

I want to hear Ramos car. Are you still competing? You do IASCA dont you? So you wont be at USACi finals?

Anybody is welcome to a listen anytime( granted your a long way away lol )
IASCA and MECA, No I will be going to MECA world finals on the same day. 8 hour drive sounds a lot better than a 14 hour drive. Heading to Spartanburg SC for ESN tomorrow morning. Gonna have Jason Winslow, Ron Buffington, and Brian Wilkerson as a judge crew for top 30........... I might need some new speakers after they are done lol I'm just shooting for top 5 got a few heavy hitters in my class. :)

ramos

08-06-2009, 07:31 AM

If I could better understand slope, I'd try active.

What is it about crossover slopes that you don't quite grasp? :)

CockMuncher

08-06-2009, 05:15 PM

the further you move your tweeters away from the mids youll want a shallower slope from what I have experienced. Otherwise youll pinpoint sounds coming from each speaker :(

bluecar

08-06-2009, 06:27 PM

Then I would start out with them the way you described, coax mounted. Least amount of work involved that way. If you don't like it, you can always try movign the tweeters around :)

Well, I need an angle mount then.

I am looking at the hybrid ovations. SUper nice setup with angle mount. Angle mount is a must if I don't coaxial.