Performance questions

[pl8er]

Gents,

okay....2009 Lancer GTS. I just installed the K&N Typhoon and I like it. Quiet unless you punch it (I'm after performance that doesn't show off or make itself well known...I'm old and don't care if others know I have extra power).

So the questions come:

I have a few things I can add easily such as fly wheel, manifold, catback or axle back exhaust.

Anyone ever compared catback to axleback in performance? Is there a large amount of gains by going catback? I'm looking it up, but I believe my car already has a large pipe stock just a tiny muffler.

I appreciate the information :)

[awry]

wut

imo go to a real fourm that focuses on that sort of shit

[pl8er]

Always best to ask people you know first. You go to one of those sites and you end up with fanboyz who have default answers. If someone says "manifolds make no major improvement, so skip it" I'd be far more likely to listen around these parts.

[Toasted1]

Is there a big difference in catback and axleback?

Might be able to find someone who has done comparisons on a dyno of both but I would imagine they are within 1-2hp of each other if any difference.

btw is does that lancer come with a turbo stock?

[pl8er]

Is there a big difference in catback and axleback?

Might be able to find someone who has done comparisons on a dyno of both but I would imagine they are within 1-2hp of each other if any difference.

btw is does that lancer come with a turbo stock?

Ralliart and evo are turbo. Rest are not.

I bet you are right on the catback to axle back. So I'll go axle back for now unless I find a different answer.

[evildave101]

is a header an option?

if so, do header and complete exaust, lose the cat if you can, and a good muffler (flowmaster)




(i know absolutly nothing about that car)

[tapout]

Must you pass an emission test where you live?

If not, go with evildaves plan. Header, full exhaust, losing the cat.

[Sex Cells]

If the pipe width is 2in or more you're probably fine just throwing on a freeer flowing muffler. The thing about exhaust and to an extent intake is that you're not nessicarly creating more power, you're just moving it around on the power band. HP often comes at the sacrafice of torque due to a lack of back pressure. See if theres a chip (re:italian) you can get that will make the shifts more firm and create a few extra hp. Is it a manual or auto? I'm assuming auto.

[Sex Cells]

is a header an option?

if so, do header and complete exaust, lose the cat if you can, and a good muffler (flowmaster)




(i know absolutly nothing about that car)

Don't lose the cat. Could effect mileage, performance gains wont be that great... not to mention its illegal.

[tapout]

Don't lose the cat. Could effect mileage, performance gains wont be that great... not to mention its illegal.

meh, wtf do you know about cars?

oh wait.....

[Sex Cells]

meh, wtf do you know about cars?

oh wait.....

All of us gays have a broad range of vehicle knowledge. It's part of our contingency plan incase we're ever stuck in an altercation with a republican.

[Bender]

All of us gays have a broad range of vehicle knowledge. It's part of our contingency plan incase we're ever stuck in an altercation with a republican.

all of us republicans have guns. Its part of out contingency plan incase we ever get stuck in an altercation with a faggot.

[pl8er]

If the pipe width is 2in or more you're probably fine just throwing on a freeer flowing muffler. The thing about exhaust and to an extent intake is that you're not nessicarly creating more power, you're just moving it around on the power band. HP often comes at the sacrafice of torque due to a lack of back pressure. See if theres a chip (re:italian) you can get that will make the shifts more firm and create a few extra hp. Is it a manual or auto? I'm assuming auto.

Car is using CVT (so selectable 6-speed or auto) and I don't plan to mess with the shifting because its smooth like butta.

Interesting point on the full exhaust stretching the power band. Looking at a few dyno's....no question its changing it. So I think that an axleback is the way to roll.

Now if I do that and added a header later (or bought one now) will I still gain performance from the header or is it now pointless? These are what I was thinking about.

http://www.roadracemotorsports.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_23_24&products_id=289

http://www.speed-element.com/servlet/Detail?no=166

[Sex Cells]

:boobies:Car is using CVT (so selectable 6-speed or auto) and I don't plan to mess with the shifting because its smooth like butta.

Interesting point on the full exhaust stretching the power band. Looking at a few dyno's....no question its changing it. So I think that an axleback is the way to roll.

Now if I do that and added a header later (or bought one now) will I still gain performance from the header or is it now pointless? These are what I was thinking about.

http://www.roadracemotorsports.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_23_24&products_id=289

http://www.speed-element.com/servlet/Detail?no=166

kinda the same deal as the exhaust. poor flowing header = more packpressure. although i would imagine on a modern engine its not too bad. then again it could just be a cast piece of shit. thats a lot of work to fuck with though. check to make sure you're not going to void your warranty.

as far as handling goes tires probably make the biggest difference. if you enjoy going around corners. i know i do, although with a tahoe it can get a bit hairy.

[pl8er]

Lancer does rather well in the turns.

Hrm...I'll go exhaust then think about header

[Spider Monkey]

All of us gays have a broad range of vehicle knowledge. It's part of our contingency plan incase we're ever stuck in an altercation with a republican.
At first I lul'd
all of us republicans have guns. Its part of out contingency plan incase we ever get stuck in an altercation with a faggot.
And then I lul'd some more.

[bluecar]

Is there a coupe version of the Lancer?

[Spider Monkey]

Is there a coupe version of the Lancer?

Yea. It is called a Neon.



































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[slim8605]

I think the stock piping is 2". Catback won't give much of a gain over the axleback. I don't think it would be worth the extra money. RRM (road race motorsports) is pretty much the best place to get Lancer parts from. I would just go there and load up a shopping cart. Are you willing to do anything with the ECU or are you just trying to stick to bolt-ons?

[pl8er]

Yea. It is called a Neon.



































:hide:

DUDE....so not cool :(

I think the stock piping is 2". Catback won't give much of a gain over the axleback. I don't think it would be worth the extra money. RRM (road race motorsports) is pretty much the best place to get Lancer parts from. I would just go there and load up a shopping cart. Are you willing to do anything with the ECU or are you just trying to stick to bolt-ons?

Yeah, I climbed under this morning and I agree. I see some benefit to the header, but not to replacing the exhaust pipe. There is a Tsudo for 189 on ebay but everything I've looked at otherwise has been from RRM.

For now, bolt-ons. And must be within warranty as its brand new.

[slim8605]

DUDE....so not cool :(



Yeah, I climbed under this morning and I agree. I see some benefit to the header, but not to replacing the exhaust pipe. There is a Tsudo for 189 on ebay but everything I've looked at otherwise has been from RRM.

For now, bolt-ons. And must be within warranty as its brand new.

Not cool at all...

Yea the dealer I got mine from said the only thing they would allow would be intake and axleback as far as warranty goes. so that doesn't leave much room for power increases. It seems like most of the things for this car don't add much anyway.

Has you friend done anything to his Ralliart yet? I've seen some pretty good numbers coming out of those so far.

[pl8er]

Not cool at all...

Yea the dealer I got mine from said the only thing they would allow would be intake and axleback as far as warranty goes. so that doesn't leave much room for power increases. It seems like most of the things for this car don't add much anyway.

Has you friend done anything to his Ralliart yet? I've seen some pretty good numbers coming out of those so far.

Na, he is still stock. But at like 225hp, so I don't think he erally needs anything else right now.

So header and flywheel kill warranty?

[Spider Monkey]

DUDE....so not cool :(


Come on. You should expect it from me. :p :boobies:

[slim8605]

Na, he is still stock. But at like 225hp, so I don't think he erally needs anything else right now.

So header and flywheel kill warranty?

That's what service department told me at the dealer I went to. But I also heard some other dealers will let you get away with more. I guess it just depends on where you go.

[slim8605]

Come on. You should expect it from me. :p :boobies:

:cough: Chysler jeep :cough:

[Spider Monkey]

:cough: Chysler jeep :cough:

:cough: dream on :cough:

[slim8605]

:cough: dream on :cough:

All love :)

[Spider Monkey]

All love :)

Daimler. Ya hurrd!!

[maddskillzz]

not sure on your car but a buddy of mine has put basically every bolt available (and a few engine mods) to his mustang and he said the best money he ever spent was on under drive pulleys...just a thought

[darthvibrator]

If the pipe width is 2in or more you're probably fine just throwing on a freeer flowing muffler. The thing about exhaust and to an extent intake is that you're not nessicarly creating more power, you're just moving it around on the power band. HP often comes at the sacrafice of torque due to a lack of back pressure. See if theres a chip (re:italian) you can get that will make the shifts more firm and create a few extra hp. Is it a manual or auto? I'm assuming auto.

fucking lulz!

there is 7 letter gold in this post. i cant believe no ones mentioned shit.

props.

[hoss]

lol at italian racing chip, that only works on domestic cars :rolleyes:

If it were up to me, I would just find an exhaust that I liked the sound of and fit into my price range the best. When it comes to exhaust systems you are usually just shifting the powerband and getting gains here, losses here, broadening the powerband, just moving power around, not really "making" any. And they can get expensive...

You might get some marginal gains here and there, but thats not a massive power adding system that you are really going to get a good return on your investment with...

Thats my $.02 though. I like the sounds of borla a lot.

[IDRIFT]

not much difference rly performance wise...its mostly the tones of ur exhaust...if i was u i would go to a local exhaust shop and tell em u want a 3inch evo catback system...my buddy had it on his 03 lancer oz rally...and it gave it that deep agressive tone plus it added some torque

[pl8er]

not much difference rly performance wise...its mostly the tones of ur exhaust...if i was u i would go to a local exhaust shop and tell em u want a 3inch evo catback system...my buddy had it on his 03 lancer oz rally...and it gave it that deep agressive tone plus it added some torque

Could you elaborate a bit more please? Would I use my existing exhaust or do they actually carry them at places like that? I have a place called madhatter mufflers, SUPER cheap and hell of a good job.

[IDRIFT]

yeah man i think they carry em at those places...im assuming thats wat he did...i noe for a fact he didnt order it cuz i would have seen him carry it in the car to get it put on...but i could be wrong...

[IDRIFT]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WDeN3frNQI

[pl8er]

Pretty sure that is a Tsudo exhaust.

[IDRIFT]

nah it was Injen

[pl8er]

the injen and tsudo look VERY similar. Minus the giant opening on the tsudo. Good sound though

[IDRIFT]

i thought u would like it lol

[willyg4444]

I had a Nissan Sentra Spec-V, 4 cyl as well, and I had an axle back, then bought a catback and it's really not a noticeable difference. On a 4 cyl engine like yours we're only talking a few HP gain at the wheels which isn't much. It may make the car feel smoother or such. I had all the bolt ons, and the header was the most noticeable gain in performance. If you decide to go with a header though, I'd at LEAST get an axle back because putting a header on an engine such as yours (and my old Spec V) sounds pretty bad w/o an exhaust hehe.

Oh and someone mentioned getting 3 inch pipes... That's not that smart IMO on a 4 cyl like the Lancer's unless you get a turbo kit. 2.5" is all you need, more won't give you an advantage. You can research if you want or w/e

[IDRIFT]

how did u like ur spec v?....my friend loved his but so did the tree:crap:

[willyg4444]

how did u like ur spec v?....my friend loved his but so did the tree:crap:

lol damn that sucks. I loved mine. Real torquey ;) Gotta love torque. I put too much money into it though, I didn't get even half of it back when I sold it :crap:

Here's a couple pics actually since I had them on photobucket. Wow haven't seen these in a while, I miss my spec :( I had coilovers on there and had it lowered a couple inches lower than it is in the pics, but I kept fucking up my bumper on shit so I had to raise it. Especially for Jersey winters ugh. Was the funnest car I've had so far though, nice and quick with the 6 speed and handled freaking awesome with my suspension mods ;) Wish I would've kept the sumabish

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r468/willyg4444/IMG_0471.jpg

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r468/willyg4444/car2.jpg

[Sex Cells]

3" on that car will kill torque.

I always wanted a spec v.

What i really wanted was to drop a F20b in my cb7. Instead i gutted it. got some meaty tires and threw it around a gravel road track we made. Most fun i ever had.

My 94 2 door a few years later i did the same thing. It was a LX which amazingly had 4 wheel discs. (taking the backseat out did not do fucking shit, by thee way, so i put it back in. Weighed maybe 20lbs. The front seats on the other hand....) and that car flewwww! atleast against the current generation civic si's that everyone had riced out. Of course it helped that i could actually drive stick and had more torque than i did hp.

I remember one time we got chrome colored duct tape and duct taped on a body kit, then made a hood scoop out of cardboard and 3 of those flexible dryer exhaust tubes so it would look like one of those fly killer supercharger/blowers of the 90's/dragsters. (the cardboard wing did not stand up) then went up and down the ricers street of choice, wanamaker. we blew away every probe and civic there. one gentlemen almost fell out of his jeep (with no doors) laughing.

really the only mods it had was no interior, or spare, or jack, and a custom bent 2.5"exhaust (no cat) and what some would call a muffler.

i remember on my old 90 accord (which by this point had been rolled and suffered plenty of other dents from us ramming eachother in the school parkinglot), after i ruined the flex pipe by jumping it we would drive around enjoying the horribly loud (and horrible sounding) exhaust by terrorizing the ricers until one day we almost passed out at a stoplight when the exhaust came through the vents due to not being funneled out the back.

oh, the days.

[pl8er]

Alright so I removed the stock exhaust and since my car has spun steel 2" with the cat and then 2 resonators.....so we went straight pipe to tip. No muffler at all now. Its deep throaty and I have more take-off. Worried about the lack of backpressure and gas mileage. What do you think will happen? Anything?

Side-note. Although the guy at the MUFFLER shop gave his opinion, I actually thought to myself "I'll ask crunk when I get home" cause I actually believe you guys more ha ha ha

[Sex Cells]

Most people take the resonators off and go straight to a muffler, but if it works it works. I would just check your mpg numbers versus the before. Anyone else have input?

[pl8er]

Most people take the resonators off and go straight to a muffler, but if it works it works. I would just check your mpg numbers versus the before. Anyone else have input?

Thanks! Mine actually has a calculator built in. I was getting 29.5 so I will see this time. Hard part is driving like before. I think we tend to get heavier footed when we have more powah! Even if it is mostly in our minds ha ha

[Sex Cells]

Honestly, i would imagine if there was too little back pressure that it would throw alter the dynamics enough to atleast throw a code for something indirectly related.

[bigtoyota479]

Most of the time it throws an O2 sensor code, because there is not enough backpressure for the gases to hang around. Do you have 1 or 2 O2 sensors? If you have 2, and they are 4 wire, I have a schematic somewhere on how to build a lil black box to replace the farthest aft O2 sensor on custom exhausts. Did this for a Honda or 10 back in the day, and it works like a charm.

Also, anything bigger than a 2" exhaust is just silly, unless you are drag racing or something. Maybe if you had a big turbo, I could see 2.5", but unless you're running a big block, 2" works just fine. Yeah, it may look and sound cool, and increase your street peen, but really it does nothing but fuck with your motor. Keep the catalytic converter. Get a high flow if you feel like it, but they really don't rob horsepower like they used to. If you use a lot of additives in your gasoline, they will plug up more quickly, but I've never had an issue.

The resonators really do nothing more than add a smidge of backpressure. They have more of an effect on sound when you add an aftermarket muffler. Depending on your likes or dislikes, you may want to keep a resonator or two, but I see I'm too late. Typically, you add a muffler, check the sound. Then take away a resonator, or both of them. Then again, I have my own shop with a welder and stuff, so I can customize like that all I want.

More likely than not, with a lack of backpressure, your bottom end lacks a bit, but it has more top-end. At least that's what I noticed on my Yota. The sound of the exhaust will actually trick you into thinking you have more bottom end. :shrug: I don't drive your car though, so you would know better than us.

Bottom line: expect your MPG to go down a smidge for two reasons. Less back pressure, and more throttle pedal for the cool sound. Also, watch for check engine codes, most likely being an O2 sensor.

[pl8er]

Most of the time it throws an O2 sensor code, because there is not enough backpressure for the gases to hang around. Do you have 1 or 2 O2 sensors? If you have 2, and they are 4 wire, I have a schematic somewhere on how to build a lil black box to replace the farthest aft O2 sensor on custom exhausts. Did this for a Honda or 10 back in the day, and it works like a charm.

Also, anything bigger than a 2" exhaust is just silly, unless you are drag racing or something. Maybe if you had a big turbo, I could see 2.5", but unless you're running a big block, 2" works just fine. Yeah, it may look and sound cool, and increase your street peen, but really it does nothing but fuck with your motor. Keep the catalytic converter. Get a high flow if you feel like it, but they really don't rob horsepower like they used to. If you use a lot of additives in your gasoline, they will plug up more quickly, but I've never had an issue.

The resonators really do nothing more than add a smidge of backpressure. They have more of an effect on sound when you add an aftermarket muffler. Depending on your likes or dislikes, you may want to keep a resonator or two, but I see I'm too late. Typically, you add a muffler, check the sound. Then take away a resonator, or both of them. Then again, I have my own shop with a welder and stuff, so I can customize like that all I want.

More likely than not, with a lack of backpressure, your bottom end lacks a bit, but it has more top-end. At least that's what I noticed on my Yota. The sound of the exhaust will actually trick you into thinking you have more bottom end. :shrug: I don't drive your car though, so you would know better than us.

Bottom line: expect your MPG to go down a smidge for two reasons. Less back pressure, and more throttle pedal for the cool sound. Also, watch for check engine codes, most likely being an O2 sensor.

Good read. Thanks for the info. No o2 sensors have come on (yet). Both of my resonators are still in place. Since my car has 2" throughout, we removed the exhaust (15lbs or so lol) and put the straight and a tip only. I can always do mentioned later. I also have access to basically anything metal related (up to 5-axis CNC's)

I'll watch the MPG and if it drops too drastically, I'll put the old exhaust back on and sell this on ebay for a profit :laugh:

[IDRIFT]

[QUOTE=willyg4444;105580]lol damn that sucks. I loved mine. Real torquey ;) Gotta love torque. I put too much money into it though, I didn't get even half of it back when I sold it :crap:

Here's a couple pics actually since I had them on photobucket. Wow haven't seen these in a while, I miss my spec :( I had coilovers on there and had it lowered a couple inches lower than it is in the pics, but I kept fucking up my bumper on shit so I had to raise it. Especially for Jersey winters ugh. Was the funnest car I've had so far though, nice and quick with the 6 speed and handled freaking awesome with my suspension mods ;) Wish I would've kept the sumabish



pretty sick dude...i rly like it...u dont see many sentras round here anymore...

[bigtoyota479]

Good read. Thanks for the info. No o2 sensors have come on (yet). Both of my resonators are still in place. Since my car has 2" throughout, we removed the exhaust (15lbs or so lol) and put the straight and a tip only. I can always do mentioned later. I also have access to basically anything metal related (up to 5-axis CNC's)

I'll watch the MPG and if it drops too drastically, I'll put the old exhaust back on and sell this on ebay for a profit :laugh:

Ah, I see what you did now. Canned the factory muffler, and left the resonators. Interesting choice, and most likely loud as hell! Did you get a resonated tip, or just a chrome one? Twin tipped Monza's sound pretty good with a glasspack, and should with your resonators as well. If you're going to remove resonators, I would highly recommend installing a muffler first.

If the O2 becomes an issue, let me know and I'll get you that black box schematic. It's basically just a 555 timer chip on a 3-3.5 second pulse, but I can't remember the voltage. You also need a resistor for the heater circuit in the O2 sensor. Wouldn't take me long to find it though.

[Bender]

Most of the time it throws an O2 sensor code, because there is not enough backpressure for the gases to hang around. Do you have 1 or 2 O2 sensors? If you have 2, and they are 4 wire, I have a schematic somewhere on how to build a lil black box to replace the farthest aft O2 sensor on custom exhausts. Did this for a Honda or 10 back in the day, and it works like a charm.

Also, anything bigger than a 2" exhaust is just silly, unless you are drag racing or something. Maybe if you had a big turbo, I could see 2.5", but unless you're running a big block, 2" works just fine. Yeah, it may look and sound cool, and increase your street peen, but really it does nothing but fuck with your motor. Keep the catalytic converter. Get a high flow if you feel like it, but they really don't rob horsepower like they used to. If you use a lot of additives in your gasoline, they will plug up more quickly, but I've never had an issue.

The resonators really do nothing more than add a smidge of backpressure. They have more of an effect on sound when you add an aftermarket muffler. Depending on your likes or dislikes, you may want to keep a resonator or two, but I see I'm too late. Typically, you add a muffler, check the sound. Then take away a resonator, or both of them. Then again, I have my own shop with a welder and stuff, so I can customize like that all I want.

More likely than not, with a lack of backpressure, your bottom end lacks a bit, but it has more top-end. At least that's what I noticed on my Yota. The sound of the exhaust will actually trick you into thinking you have more bottom end. :shrug: I don't drive your car though, so you would know better than us.

Bottom line: expect your MPG to go down a smidge for two reasons. Less back pressure, and more throttle pedal for the cool sound. Also, watch for check engine codes, most likely being an O2 sensor.

this is what happened in my f150 when i took the cats off

[skylineTT]

just wait til the warranty is upm then get the head ported and a valvejob while youre at it, higher flow intake mani (mitsubishis arent too great), keep the cold air, get a ceramec coated header (4 bangers get hoottttt), and straight pipe it to to a muffler of your choice. after this, all you have left is injectors, U/D pulleys, and cams. cams will wake it up a good bit also and you can do that when you do the head work but be prepared for the exhause and intake work when you do that and youll see a wicked gain.

[Spider Monkey]

just wait til the warranty is upm then get the head ported and a valvejob while youre at it, higher flow intake mani (mitsubishis arent too great), keep the cold air, get a ceramec coated header (4 bangers get hoottttt), and straight pipe it to to a muffler of your choice. after this, all you have left is injectors, U/D pulleys, and cams. cams will wake it up a good bit also and you can do that when you do the head work but be prepared for the exhause and intake work when you do that and youll see a wicked gain.

You owe me a 10 second car.

[Porch Monkey]

he can push it or tow it across the finish line

[Sex Cells]

just wait til the warranty is upm then get the head ported and a valvejob while youre at it, higher flow intake mani (mitsubishis arent too great), keep the cold air, get a ceramec coated header (4 bangers get hoottttt), and straight pipe it to to a muffler of your choice. after this, all you have left is injectors, U/D pulleys, and cams. cams will wake it up a good bit also and you can do that when you do the head work but be prepared for the exhause and intake work when you do that and youll see a wicked gain.

shut the fuck up.

[bigtoyota479]

There is no replacement for displacement.

Turbocharging adds displacement, BTW. So does supercharging. It's the biggest bang for the buck mod you can do to a car.

[hoss]

The biggest bang for the buck, besides one of those tornado intake things. I think you left that part out.

[bigtoyota479]

You're right. :crap:

[Sex Cells]

There is no replacement for displacement.

Turbocharging adds displacement, BTW. So does supercharging. It's the biggest bang for the buck mod you can do to a car.

generally tires would fit that bill. mutha fucka

[bigtoyota479]

DOTE! I'm 0 for 2 tonight. I totally forgot that rims and tires add the most horsepower for your money. What else did I forget?

OH YEAH! You need a big wing to make downforce on the rear of the car so your drive tires have more traction and you go faster.

[bluecar]

Real Question: Are those K&N intakes worth it? Looks like a pipe?

[bigtoyota479]

Real Question: Are those K&N intakes worth it? Looks like a pipe?

Only if you get an exhaust system to match it. Allowing more air in without being able to push more air out is pointless. Bottom line is yes, air intake systems do work, but only look for a 5-10% increase AT MOST! They should also increase your gas mileage 3-5%.

[bluecar]

Only if you get an exhaust system to match it. Allowing more air in without being able to push more air out is pointless. Bottom line is yes, air intake systems do work, but only look for a 5-10% increase AT MOST! They should also increase your gas mileage 3-5%.

So CAI plus dual exhaust?

Well, not true duals, probably duals after the muffler...straight pipe after cat?

[Sex Cells]

DOTE! I'm 0 for 2 tonight. I totally forgot that rims and tires add the most horsepower for your money. What else did I forget?

OH YEAH! You need a big wing to make downforce on the rear of the car so your drive tires have more traction and you go faster.

no, srsly. a good set of tires makes a huge difference.

[bigtoyota479]

What kind of car? You may want to keep the factory resonator if you have one, or consider adding one if you don't depending on the car. Truthfully, adding just a muffler won't do much. You really need to get headers to see any kind of performance difference. High flow cats? Maybe. Depends on how many miles your car has on it. It may be worthwhile to get it replaced, as they tend to plug up over time.

CAI is a touchy subject with me. The only real reason I could see for that is if you are running a turbocharger. I personally prefer the short rams myself, as the air has a short path to travel, and it really doesn't get that much hotter.

CAI= intake in a wheel well or behind the bumper

Short ram= what I have on my Honda, the intake is about 2 feet long with a filter on the end. See my Big 3 install for pics.

[bigtoyota479]

no, srsly. a good set of tires makes a huge difference.

I know joo was being srs. I totally agree. Good tires will make or break a ride when it comes to handling and acceleration. What good is the power if you can't get it to the ground? I was just being an ass, lol.

[bluecar]

What kind of car? You may want to keep the factory resonator if you have one, or consider adding one if you don't depending on the car. Truthfully, adding just a muffler won't do much. You really need to get headers to see any kind of performance difference. High flow cats? Maybe. Depends on how many miles your car has on it. It may be worthwhile to get it replaced, as they tend to plug up over time.

CAI is a touchy subject with me. The only real reason I could see for that is if you are running a turbocharger. I personally prefer the short rams myself, as the air has a short path to travel, and it really doesn't get that much hotter.

CAI= intake in a wheel well or behind the bumper

Short ram= what I have on my Honda, the intake is about 2 feet long with a filter on the end. See my Big 3 install for pics.

I have a Ford Ranger with a 4.0L. It has about 7,000 miles.

[bigtoyota479]

Erm, you may want to check your warranty. Adding things like that may void it! Be careful.

[hoss]

Just get a K&N replacement filter. You will get better gas mileage, and the performance difference isnt that much different, if any different, than their whole intake system...

The only way an intake system is going to really make a difference is if it actually gets out of the engine bay and grabs fresh air, or if it literally uses the vehicles aerodynamics to force (ram) air into the intake.

[bigtoyota479]

Just get a K&N replacement filter. You will get better gas mileage, and the performance difference isnt that much different, if any different, than their whole intake system...

The only way an intake system is going to really make a difference is if it actually gets out of the engine bay and grabs fresh air, or if it literally uses the vehicles aerodynamics to force (ram) air into the intake.

I would beg to differ with ya a little on that one. Case in point is my Honda, which used a 3 box air intake system from the factory. 3 separate boxes! One for the filter, connected to another one that was an intake muffler, connected to yet another one that actually contained the fresh air intake. Granted, it doesn't apply in every case, but the numbers I've seen on dynos prove that they do work.

[darthvibrator]

Only if you get an exhaust system to match it. Allowing more air in without being able to push more air out is pointless. Bottom line is yes, air intake systems do work, but only look for a 5-10% increase AT MOST! They should also increase your gas mileage 3-5%.

i would take this with a grain of salt.

i dyno'd a mustang gt once stock and with an after market CAI...it lost power with the CAI.

not saying this is every case, but it did happen.

[bigtoyota479]

That's why in my post I said I like short ram systems better. IMO, having a shorter path to the throttle body always makes better power. I was only hinting that an intake upgrade should be matched with an exhaust upgrade. Or, by CAI, were you talking about a short ram too? Or just one of those cheesy bolt on K&N filter's that sits right on the intake with no tube? I would also have to question if the computer was reset, and any kind of mileage put on the car before the dyno run. That is also important, because the computer will need time to digest the new airflow that is coming in. Typically you want to reset the ECM, then go drive a bit, then do your dyno test. Or do I just not know jack shit?

I also know that in the case of turbo charging or supercharging, CAI's make a whole lot of sense, because they help keep the intake temp down, making the intercooler even more effective.

[skylineTT]

sex cells=douche. my post was legit. it also allows you a good platform for turbo/supercharging.

[Spider Monkey]

You sure did it now.

[_AnGeL_]

werd.

[hoss]

Ho shit! I doubt preston is going to take this kind of guff from a mustang owner.

[bigtoyota479]

LOLOL!!!!

:nom

In for whatever happens next.

[Sex Cells]

sex cells=douche. my post was legit. it also allows you a good platform for turbo/supercharging.

So let me get this right. A guy gets a safe car with a good warranty so he can drive his family around time to time. He doesn't wants to have a bit more sport, but still doesn't want to have to worry about maintaining it. And your advice to him is to wait until the car is out of warranty (when he would presumably have replaced it) and spend around 10-15 THOUSAND dollars on the engine. Which by this time could very well be a few thousand more then the car is even worth.

See a few issues here? Disregarding the little issue with a transmission only lasting a few minutes with that kind of power.. don't you think he would've just bought a fast, impractical car like that if he wanted? Possibly one that was more then an engine, possibly you know... one with the ability to do something other than go in a straight line incredibly fast. Maybe one with a warranty?

You are right about one thing though, i am a douche.

[_AnGeL_]

bag or nozzle?

[bigtoyota479]

Both. At the same time.

[_AnGeL_]

is that legal?

[bigtoyota479]

Everywhere but California.

[fbi90909]

aren't CAI's really "effective" at higher RPM's??

[Spider Monkey]

Everywhere but California.

You mad trippin son.

[bigtoyota479]

aren't CAI's really "effective" at higher RPM's??

Yep. That's why I only recommend them for engines that are turbo and supercharged. Longer intake run = High RPM power. Short intake run = low RPM power.

[_AnGeL_]

You mad trippin son.

you know its the truth...

[bigtoyota479]

You been smokin PR weed. Why would we believe you?

[_AnGeL_]

:crap:

[Spider Monkey]

you know its the truth...

He's just trying to throw off our gaydar and hide the fact that he lives in an even more douchy state.

[_AnGeL_]

He's just trying to throw off our gaydar and hide the fact that he lives in an even more douchy state.

:crap:

[fbi90909]

Yep. That's why I only recommend them for engines that are turbo and supercharged. Longer intake run = High RPM power. Short intake run = low RPM power.

something similar came across to my friend with a 98 civic coupe ex. a guy at a shop with 240sx convinced my friend to buy a performance header for his civic, so he bought it and installed it. shitty part, they're only effective at high rpms. like past 4,500+.. was a really stupid buy for an all stock civic.

[bigtoyota479]

something similar came across to my friend with a 98 civic coupe ex. a guy at a shop with 240sx convinced my friend to buy a performance header for his civic, so he bought it and installed it. shitty part, they're only effective at high rpms. like past 4,500+.. was a really stupid buy for an all stock civic.

Now this isn't entirely true. Depending on the header you get, they can be mildly tuned for the RPM range. It all depends on the length and how they collect at the bottom. Tri-Y's will give you bottom end oomph, while a long header with a 4-1 collector 4 feet from the engine will give a high RPM boost. It all depends on what you get.

[fbi90909]

Now this isn't entirely true. Depending on the header you get, they can be mildly tuned for the RPM range. It all depends on the length and how they collect at the bottom. Tri-Y's will give you bottom end oomph, while a long header with a 4-1 collector 4 feet from the engine will give a high RPM boost. It all depends on what you get.

he has a 4-1 iirc. i helped him install it long ago

[bigtoyota479]

Ya, they are all 4-1, it just depends on HOW the 4 go into 1. That will determine where your power comes and goes.

[bigtoyota479]

I suppose I should elaborate some more. Tri-Y's are more like 4-2-1. Like this one.

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z308/maxjha/Picture298Small.jpg

4-1 headers make high RPM power, and go straight from 4-1. Like this one.

http://mycomputerninja.com/~jon/hondainfo/d-header/StillenHeader.JPG

[evildave101]

i can has headder for the red toy?

[bigtoyota479]

Red toy? Which is that? I will find you one.

[evildave101]

Red toy? Which is that? I will find you one.

big yota, meet red yota
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s116/evildave151/yota4.jpg
i has the headder, just havent been motivated to put it on yet. its a 4 into 1. what will that do for me? truck has about 188,xxx miles on it.

[pl8er]

Wow...look at this thread go.

[bigtoyota479]

big yota, meet red yota
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s116/evildave151/yota4.jpg
i has the headder, just havent been motivated to put it on yet. its a 4 into 1. what will that do for me? truck has about 188,xxx miles on it.

Honestly, you should sell that one and get the Downey Tr-Y header. It will give you a better bottom end boost, where most of your driving is done. IIRC, they run about 300 bucks though. Is that an R or an RE?

[evildave101]

R and the headder only cost me 20 dollhairs

[bigtoyota479]

LOL! A 20 dollhair header? How thick is the flange where it meets the head? The cheapo's have thin flanges, and they will warp, which will blow your gaskets. Downey headers have a 3/8" or 1/2" flange. Uber tough.

If it's an R it will respond better than an RE. That's a plus.

[evildave101]

LOL! A 20 dollhair header? How thick is the flange where it meets the head? The cheapo's have thin flanges, and they will warp, which will blow your gaskets. Downey headers have a 3/8" or 1/2" flange. Uber tough.

If it's an R it will respond better than an RE. That's a plus.

it wasnt 20 dollhairs new, its a used header, but it only cost me 20 dollhairs.
im not sure what brand it is, i will post a pic when i get home. i dont recall finding a name on it any where

[bigtoyota479]

Post up a pic. I may be able to identify. Please be sure to include one of the flange. I will tell you if it's worth putting on or not.

[pl8er]

I ended up with the K/N and my welded on exhaust. I'm pretty happy. I'm done for now, plenty fast for me. More into the sound system atm.

[evildave101]

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s116/evildave151/102_0839.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s116/evildave151/102_0840.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s116/evildave151/102_0841.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s116/evildave151/102_0846.jpg

[bigtoyota479]

Wow. That's actually got a decent flange on it. I want to say it's a Downey header, but I'm not 100% on that. Either way, that flange is thick enough to hold up and not cause leaks. It's in damn good shape too, not all rusted out and shit. Nice find mang!

[evildave101]

now if i could just get around to putting it on

[skylineTT]

15 grand? false. i would say for all of that stuff i named, less than 4. i just built 347 with some of the more expensive parts in the market and spent 5500. an especially if he only goes for intake, exhaust work and bolt ons. hell be done in less than 2 grand. as far as handling goes, im sure you couldve bought a better performing car for the money anyway so thats not really an arguement. i only called you a douche because of your response to my previous post. whether true or not, i was only playing. sorry if it came off as surrrioussness

[Spider Monkey]

15 grand? false. i would say for all of that stuff i named, less than 4. i just built 347 with some of the more expensive parts in the market and spent 5500. an especially if he only goes for intake, exhaust work and bolt ons. hell be done in less than 2 grand. as far as handling goes, im sure you couldve bought a better performing car for the money anyway so thats not really an arguement. i only called you a douche because of your response to my previous post. whether true or not, i was only playing. sorry if it came off as surrrioussness

Get use to it asshole. This is crunk times. Only the crunk survive.

[skylineTT]

nukkah i crunk

[Spider Monkey]

Then don't get dick bent over someone calling you a retard, retard.

[evildave101]

Then don't get dick bent over someone calling you a retard, retard.

luls

[skylineTT]

not dick bent bish. my dick is like iron or something. i could put it between two streetsigns and run an 18 wheeler into it and it wont bend or some ish.

[Spider Monkey]

not dick bent bish. my dick is like iron or something. i could put it between two streetsigns and run an 18 wheeler into it and it wont bend or some ish.

Pictures of this please. I'd hate to call you a liar.

[skylineTT]

the camera was blurry but you get the gist.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i57/all-names-were-taken/18wheels.jpg

[Spider Monkey]

That doesn't look like a spider monkey but I still lul'd! :laugh:

+1 for creativity.

[skylineTT]

haha thxz

[evildave101]

That doesn't look like a spider monkey but I still lul'd! :laugh:

+1 for creativity.

no doubt

[darthvibrator]

the camera was blurry but you get the gist.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i57/all-names-were-taken/18wheels.jpg

niggas got little balls!

[Sex Cells]

the little ricer may just fit in.

[darthvibrator]

the little ricer may just fit in.

lulz. i hear faulkton can back up that theory as well.

[skylineTT]

niggas got little balls!


theyre just dense. i think my came is made of mercury or something